[ANNOUNCE] em84xx 0.0.13

  • Hallo Arghgra,
    zuerst ein Dankeschön für die Möglichkeiten mit deinem Plugin. :D
    Mich interessiert am meisten die Implementierung des VGA-out. Vielleicht mindert/entfernt es Störstreifen. Könnte man die Basis der Ausgabe Mittig ausrichten, geht das? Dann würde, bei eingestellter Ausgabeauflösung 16:9, ein Film 4:3 in der Mitte und 16:9 im Vollbild dargestellt werden. Ein Ändern des Formats am Plasma/LCD wäre nicht mehr notwendig.
    VGA -> Plasma/LCD


    bis dann,
    Nando

    TEST FOXCONN 560A "Cool`n`Quiet"
    Software: Gen2VDR V2 + vdr-1.6-ext59 + Nvram-Wakeup + KDE
    Hardware: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4800+, 4GB DDR2RAM, SAMSUNG SATA HD501LJ 500 GB, SAMSUNG SP2514N 250 GB, HD SV1604N 160GB, HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H58N, Cablestar2, TTDVB-C + Scart-out + ASUS-SPDIF


    Activy 300
    Software: Gen2VDR V2 + vdr-1.4.7-ext40 + STR + FreeVo (Browser, Games, ... )
    Hardware: 256MB SDRAM, HD SV1604N 160GB, DVD SD-M1612, FSDVB-C + Scart-out, Technisat Cablestar2, leise

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    Original von netz
    Mich interessiert am meisten die Implementierung des VGA-out. Vielleicht mindert/entfernt es Störstreifen. Könnte man die Basis der Ausgabe Mittig ausrichten, geht das? Dann würde, bei eingestellter Ausgabeauflösung 16:9, ein Film 4:3 in der Mitte und 16:9 im Vollbild dargestellt werden. Ein Ändern des Formats am Plasma/LCD wäre nicht mehr notwendig.
    VGA -> Plasma/LCD


    Hi Nando,


    dieses Problem hat nix mit dem em84xx Plugin zu tun. Dieser Fehler kommt vom tvia_overlay Tool. Dieses schiebt das em84xx Ausgabe Bild (Overlay) immer nach Links ... Man müsste dieses Problem, wenn es denn Lösbar ist, im tvia_overlay Tool suchen ... :)


    Man sollte also bei 4 : 3 on 16 : 9 TV nicht "Zoom off" verwenden, wenn man Overlay verwendet! ;)

    3 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Uwe ()


  • Wie Uwe schon schreibt, sind VGA-Out und VGA-Out 2 Paar Schuhe :) - ich meine den direkten VGA des Em84xx - wie auf einer NS2K zu finden.
    Der Gen2VDR VGA-Out wird per Overlay der Tvia erzeugt und ist quasi fast losgelöst vom em84xx Plugin ;).


    arghgra

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    Original von arghgra
    Wie Uwe schon schreibt, sind VGA-Out und VGA-Out 2 Paar Schuhe :) - ich meine den direkten VGA des Em84xx - wie auf einer NS2K zu finden.
    Der Gen2VDR VGA-Out wird per Overlay der Tvia erzeugt und ist quasi fast losgelöst vom em84xx Plugin ;).


    arghgra


    Jetzt habe ich es geschnallt. Ich hatte mir die Hoffnungen gemacht, du sagst dem Activy, ab mit dem TV-Signal (samt Overlay) zum VGA-Out. ;) Und durch ein Wunder noch mit ein paar Störstreifen weg, die ich sonst über VGA-out habe/nicht habe.


    Uwe
    Spreche ich dann dich an, wegen dem Overlay-Tool?
    (aber erst nächste Woche, ab in den Wintersport ;) )

    TEST FOXCONN 560A "Cool`n`Quiet"
    Software: Gen2VDR V2 + vdr-1.6-ext59 + Nvram-Wakeup + KDE
    Hardware: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4800+, 4GB DDR2RAM, SAMSUNG SATA HD501LJ 500 GB, SAMSUNG SP2514N 250 GB, HD SV1604N 160GB, HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H58N, Cablestar2, TTDVB-C + Scart-out + ASUS-SPDIF


    Activy 300
    Software: Gen2VDR V2 + vdr-1.4.7-ext40 + STR + FreeVo (Browser, Games, ... )
    Hardware: 256MB SDRAM, HD SV1604N 160GB, DVD SD-M1612, FSDVB-C + Scart-out, Technisat Cablestar2, leise

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von netz ()


  • Nachtrag:
    Durch einen Mainboardtausch hat sich das Problem in Luft aufgelöst. :rolleyes:


    Gruß
    Wicky

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    Original von Wicky
    Nachtrag:
    Durch einen Mainboardtausch hat sich das Problem in Luft aufgelöst. :rolleyes:


    Hallo Wicky,
    das ist ja auch gut so , hatte eh keine Idee wo dir zu helfen war :schiel


    Gruß Ulf


    Ps hast du rückwirkend einen Schimmer für die Nachwelt ?

    Samsung UE43RU7479U, Antec Fusion Black, Prime A320m-k, Ryzen3 3200G, 2* DVB-T2,
    Yavdr-ansible auf Ubuntu Server 22.04

  • Zitat

    Originally posted by ULF
    - make plugin work with NTSC mode (are there any NTSC users?)


    Hello. Thank you very much for giving us em84xx support for vdr. I am a north american user, and just compiled your plugin today for the first time and noticed it did not have ntsc support. Took me a few minutes, but the black and white output picture was a dead giveaway... started grepping the source and only found refferences to 720x576 not 720x480.


    I've been muddling through the source to see what I can do for myself but i've never dealt with ntsc/pal differences before, and i'm only a novice programmer (mostly i do cgi stuff etc, I get lost in other peoples source often).


    I would be more than happy to test your 0.0.14 when available or before and give feedback on ntsc output.


    I cant read/write any other languages so bear with me, babelfish has been my best bet through alot of vdr-related setup.


  • Schimmer ja, aber mehr auch nicht:


    Mit dem Sigma-Tool playfile konnte ich auch mit dem "nicht geeigneten" Maniboard ein MPEG problemlos wiedergeben. Nur mit dem VDR kam es zu massiven rucklern in Ton und Bild. Der Buffer ist immer rasant vollgelaufen.


    Eventuell klappt bei dem Mainboard die Komunikation mit den Modulen nicht...??


    Gruß
    Wicky

  • Okay, got ntsc working here. Just editted a few spots in device.c and osd.h.


    Maybe in the future you could do a make plugins USE_NTSC=1 or something like that.


    Thanks, still look forward to trying 0.0.14 and thanks again for your hard work.

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    Original von clw8482
    Okay, got ntsc working here. Just editted a few spots in device.c and osd.h.


    Maybe in the future you could do a make plugins USE_NTSC=1 or something like that.


    Thanks, still look forward to trying 0.0.14 and thanks again for your hard work.


    Could you post a diff of your changes against 0.0.13?


    I will add NTSC-Support with a plugin cmdline-parameter in 0.0.14 - so, no compiling needed, when switching from PAL<->NTSC.


    arghgra

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    Original von arghgra
    I will add NTSC-Support with a plugin cmdline-parameter in 0.0.14 - so, no compiling needed, when switching from PAL<->NTSC.
    arghgra


    Nice idea, but if you are going to make this customizable, I would prefer to use the plugins setup menu for switching between pal and ntsc :)

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    Original von helau


    Nice idea, but if you are going to make this customizable, I would prefer to use the plugins setup menu for switching between pal and ntsc :)


    That's what I always want to avoid - make setup options like this available in the vdr plugin setup ;) (like the 4mb osd arg). How will you change from PAL to NTSC the first time if your tv set only supports NTSC?


    arghgra

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    Original von arghgra
    That's what I always want to avoid - make setup options like this available in the vdr plugin setup ;)


    Good idea - for example vdr has a setup option for 4:3 / 16:9 switching and em84xx is using it's own setup parameters ;)

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    (like the 4mb osd arg). How will you change from PAL to NTSC the first time if your tv set only supports NTSC?


    By adding the correct line to setup.conf, that's not more difficult than adding a commandline parameter. But if you have a TV which has NTSC and PAL capabilities you can switch between those two settings without any knowledge of configuration files etc. if its available in the setup menu.
    But you are right - this setting should be made in the vdr settings, not in the plugins settings.
    AFAIK vdr auto-detects pal or ntsc via the dvbdevice interface, and if you are not using a FF card vdr does not care about pal or ntsc, so you have to do it in the plugin.

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    Original von helau


    Good idea - for example vdr has a setup option for 4:3 / 16:9 switching and em84xx is using it's own setup parameters ;)


    Because VDRs options are for DVB-cards - the em84xx has more options - that's why I don't to mix these settings.


    Zitat


    By adding the correct line to setup.conf, that's not more difficult than adding a commandline parameter. But if you have a TV which has NTSC and PAL capabilities you can switch between those two settings without any knowledge of configuration files etc. if its available in the setup menu.
    But you are right - this setting should be made in the vdr settings, not in the plugins settings.
    AFAIK vdr auto-detects pal or ntsc via the dvbdevice interface, and if you are not using a FF card vdr does not care about pal or ntsc, so you have to do it in the plugin.


    1) i cannot autodetect PAL or NTSC
    2) not adding such an setup option doesn't mean, that I don't know how to do it ;)
    3) I would have to rewrite the complete setup-stuff to allow switching between PAL and NTSC during runtime - too much work for a little feature right now
    4) there will be only a cmdline-arg for 0.0.14 :D


    arghgra

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    Original von arghgra
    Because VDRs options are for DVB-cards - the em84xx has more options - that's why I don't to mix these settings.


    I know, but if no options are set when em84xx setup is started you should set the em84xx setting compatible to the vdr option :)

    Zitat

    1) i cannot autodetect PAL or NTSC
    2) not adding such an setup option doesn't mean, that I don't know how to do it ;)
    3) I would have to rewrite the complete setup-stuff to allow switching between PAL and NTSC during runtime - too much work for a little feature right now
    4) there will be only a cmdline-arg for 0.0.14 :D


    arghgra


    1+2. I know :)
    3+4. I never said that this should be done during runtime, so the work is the same :)


    Commandline parameters are a bad thing for an Out-of-the Box Distribution. Every setting which could be done via setup should be made there !

  • Zitat

    Originally posted by arghgra
    Could you post a diff of your changes against 0.0.13?


    I will add NTSC-Support with a plugin cmdline-parameter in 0.0.14 - so, no compiling needed, when switching from PAL<->NTSC.


    Sure, attached. I re-did it real quick at work since the original is at home, so I havn't tested this to see if it compiles but it should, its only like 6 or 7 lines of code total modified, some flags etc. You should be able to get the idea from it.


    Now, thoughts on the commandline vs setup menu stuff. You mentioned not being able to see the setup menu if you have a tv that does not support PAL, most FTA set-top-box's used in NA have this as a menu option. On NTSC tv's that are hooked up through composite or svideo (and probably component as well) you do get a picture when a PAL signal is sent to the tv, its just in black and white and a portion of the horizontal (usually from the top) is squashed, but not enough to where you cant see the menus. On older tv's with only coax 'F' connector input you could not see the PAL signal and would just be rolling lines. Since anybody who is going to be using this will be using svideo, component, or composite output you should be ok to have it as a menu option just like the FTA set-top-boxes do.


    However, setting it as a menu option would mean 1 of 2 things:
    1. Re-init of the card while the plugin is already running (I think this might be bad, but may be fine)
    2. Instruct user that 'change takes effect after re-load of plugin' after setting the menu option.


    I opt for #2 if you were going to use the setup menu.


    A command-line option works just as well for me and probably anybody else who will be using it for NTSC output. How many people have you confirmed with NTSC needs? 3 maybe total including myself?


    Also, live-tv playback is perfect, but as soon as you start recording it starts jittering. This could be due to me using an old slow 6gb ide drive, I have a slightly faster 13gb i'll stick in there and see. Could also be related to using the same drive and same partition vdr runs from as the recording space. Any other users experience this? My hardware is a celeron 1ghz with 192mb ram, 500mb swap.


    Edit:
    Jittery recording was due to generic only ide support compiled into the kernel, so no dma mode was unavailable. Problem fixed, works great.

  • "i cannot autodetect PAL or NTSC"


    - this is becouse sigma libs cannot it?
    Its will be a fine....


    I have multy system tv, and can see both system.
    But if i see ntsc dvd in pal mode, i see bad picture if dvd have interlaced fields structure.
    Test this anybody, but need dvd with ntsc interlaced content.

  • I test it with em8475 XCARD ,very good


    but something not solve ,can not autosysterm ,need manual change ntsc or pal and not realtime change video systerm ,need reload plugin or restart vdr

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